https://www.milliongenerations.org/index.php?title=Population_growth&feed=atom&action=historyPopulation growth - Revision history2024-03-28T22:38:17ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://www.milliongenerations.org/index.php?title=Population_growth&diff=2081&oldid=prevAnybody: adapt number of years to reach limit for limit by energy, formatting2011-01-01T17:10:01Z<p>adapt number of years to reach limit for limit by energy, formatting</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Going to extremes with the assumption that in a billion years (40 million current generations) the entire mass of the planet consists only of intelligent beings weighing 1 kg each (i.e., on the order of 6 times 10 to the 24 individuals), the average annual rate of growth from a starting base of 7 billion would be less than 0.000001%, (about 3 millionths of a percent or about 200 per year more born than dying at the current level). Assuming there would only be 1 individual left, the average annual rate of population reduction would likewise be less than 0.000001%. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Going to extremes with the assumption that in a billion years (40 million current generations) the entire mass of the planet consists only of intelligent beings weighing 1 kg each (i.e., on the order of 6 times 10 to the 24 individuals), the average annual rate of growth from a starting base of 7 billion would be less than 0.000001%, (about 3 millionths of a percent or about 200 per year more born than dying at the current level). Assuming there would only be 1 individual left, the average annual rate of population reduction would likewise be less than 0.000001%. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: It only enforces the argument - there are lower limits, too: sentient individuals, with conscious experience, would be expected to require useful energy. We don't understand how consciousness arises, but most expect that it requires the processing of information. If, as seems likely, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics second law of thermodynamics] describes reality adequately, processing of information requires the consumption of useful energy. Human brains require roughly [http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JacquelineLing.shtml 10-20 Watts]. Arbitrarily assuming that a fraction of that, say 1 Watt, is required for (an adequate level of) consciousness, on the order of 5 times 10 to the 16 conscious individuals at any one time could be supported by [http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/climate/sun_radiation_at_earth.html solar energy] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(</del>about 9 million times current human population, but more than 100 million times less than in the above example<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) if no energy would be used for anything else</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(</del>This assumes suface temperature and albedo are roughly maintained. While a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere Dyson Sphere] construct would allow much more power and thus individuals, these <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">would have to </del>be <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">elsewhere to maintain </del>temperature, so <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">not on this planet - </del>with the assumed power requirement of 1 W per individual.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) </del>The argument supports the notion that the consumption of useful energy comes at an absolute cost: less sentient life is possible if energy is used any other way. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: It only enforces the argument - there are lower limits, too: sentient individuals, with conscious experience, would be expected to require useful energy. We don't understand how consciousness arises, but most expect that it requires the processing of information. If, as seems likely, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics second law of thermodynamics] describes reality adequately, processing of information requires the consumption of useful energy. Human brains require roughly [http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JacquelineLing.shtml 10-20 Watts]. Arbitrarily assuming that a fraction of that, say 1 Watt, is required for (an adequate level of) consciousness, on the order of 5 times 10 to the 16 conscious individuals at any one time could be supported by [http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/climate/sun_radiation_at_earth.html solar energy] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">if no energy would be used for anything else. This is </ins>about 9 million times current human population, but more than 100 million times less than in the above example. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: </ins>This assumes suface temperature and albedo are roughly maintained. While a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere Dyson Sphere] construct would allow much more power and thus individuals, these <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">could not </ins>be <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">on this planet if </ins>temperature <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be maintained</ins>, so with the assumed power requirement of 1 W per individual <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this is an upper limit to the conscious population on the planet, and even if different sources of energy (such as fusion power or unknown sources) were added, it could not be surpassed unless temperature would be allowed to rise</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: </ins>The argument supports the notion that the consumption of useful energy comes at an absolute cost: less sentient life is possible if energy is used any other way. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fluctuations in between, either way, need to cancel each other out in the long run. On comparison, with an average growth of 1%, it would need less than 3,500 years (the pyramids are much older) to reach the mass of the earth with individuals weighing only 1 kg from the current <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">level (with heavier </del>individuals<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)</del>. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fluctuations in between, either way, need to cancel each other out in the long run. On comparison, with an average growth of 1% <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(roughly the average world population growth between 1800 and 2010)</ins>, it would need less than 3,500 years (the pyramids are much older) to reach the mass of the earth with individuals weighing only 1 kg from the current <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">number of humans, and only about 3000 years to reach the limit provided by conscious </ins>individuals <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">requiring only 1 W of power consumption each</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Anybodyhttps://www.milliongenerations.org/index.php?title=Population_growth&diff=2080&oldid=prevAnybody: limit of population by power / energy consumption rather than only matter.2011-01-01T16:48:33Z<p>limit of population by power / energy consumption rather than only matter.</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Going to extremes with the assumption that in a billion years (40 million current generations) the entire mass of the planet consists only of intelligent beings weighing 1 kg each (i.e., on the order of 6 times 10 to the 24 individuals), the average annual rate of growth from a starting base of 7 billion would be less than 0.000001%, (about 3 millionths of a percent or about 200 per year more born than dying at the current level). Assuming there would only be 1 individual left, the average annual rate of population reduction would likewise be less than 0.000001%. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Going to extremes with the assumption that in a billion years (40 million current generations) the entire mass of the planet consists only of intelligent beings weighing 1 kg each (i.e., on the order of 6 times 10 to the 24 individuals), the average annual rate of growth from a starting base of 7 billion would be less than 0.000001%, (about 3 millionths of a percent or about 200 per year more born than dying at the current level). Assuming there would only be 1 individual left, the average annual rate of population reduction would likewise be less than 0.000001%. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: It only enforces the argument - there are lower limits, too: sentient individuals, with conscious experience, would be expected to require useful energy. We don't understand how consciousness arises, but most expect that it requires the processing of information. If, as seems likely, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics second law of thermodynamics] describes reality adequately, processing of information requires the consumption of useful energy. Human brains require roughly [http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JacquelineLing.shtml 10-20 Watts]. Arbitrarily assuming that a fraction of that, say 1 Watt, is required for (an adequate level of) consciousness, on the order of 5 times 10 to the 16 conscious individuals at any one time could be supported by [http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/climate/sun_radiation_at_earth.html solar energy] (about 9 million times current human population, but more than 100 million times less than in the above example) if no energy would be used for anything else. (This assumes suface temperature and albedo are roughly maintained. While a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere Dyson Sphere] construct would allow much more power and thus individuals, these would have to be elsewhere to maintain temperature, so not on this planet - with the assumed power requirement of 1 W per individual.) The argument supports the notion that the consumption of useful energy comes at an absolute cost: less sentient life is possible if energy is used any other way. </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fluctuations in between, either way, need to cancel each other out in the long run. On comparison, with an average growth of 1%, it would need less than 3,500 years (the pyramids are much older) to reach the mass of the earth with individuals weighing only 1 kg from the current level (with heavier individuals). </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fluctuations in between, either way, need to cancel each other out in the long run. On comparison, with an average growth of 1%, it would need less than 3,500 years (the pyramids are much older) to reach the mass of the earth with individuals weighing only 1 kg from the current level (with heavier individuals). </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Continued exponential growth over long periods is impossible. Life will become very tough by external factors containing growth unless we find ways to contain it, and humanity will quickly be extinct unless there are mechanism to keep its population from falling too low.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Continued exponential growth over long periods is impossible. Life will become very tough by external factors containing growth unless we find ways to contain it, and humanity will quickly be extinct unless there are mechanism to keep its population from falling too low.</div></td></tr>
</table>Anybodyhttps://www.milliongenerations.org/index.php?title=Population_growth&diff=1592&oldid=prevMGxWikiSysop: Protected "Population growth" [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed]2009-11-17T23:12:37Z<p>Protected "<a href="/index.php?title=Population_growth" title="Population growth">Population growth</a>" [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed]</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Going to extremes with the assumption that in a billion years (40 million current generations) the entire mass of the planet consists only of intelligent beings weighing 1 kg each (i.e., on the order of 6 times 10 to the 24 individuals), the average annual rate of growth from a starting base of 7 billion would be less than 0.000001%, (about 3 millionths of a percent or about 200 per year more born than dying at the current level). Assuming there would only be 1 individual left, the average annual rate of population reduction would likewise be less than 0.000001%. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Going to extremes with the assumption that in a billion years (40 million current generations) the entire mass of the planet consists only of intelligent beings weighing 1 kg each (i.e., on the order of 6 times 10 to the 24 individuals), the average annual rate of growth from a starting base of 7 billion would be less than 0.000001%, (about 3 millionths of a percent or about 200 per year more born than dying at the current level). Assuming there would only be 1 individual left, the average annual rate of population reduction would likewise be less than 0.000001%. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fluctuations in between, either way, need to cancel each other out in the long run. On comparison, with an average growth of 1%, it would need less than 3,500 years (the pyramids are much older) to reach the mass of the earth with individuals weighing only 1 kg from the current level (with heavier individuals). <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">At baby boomer 2%, it would take less than 1800 years. </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fluctuations in between, either way, need to cancel each other out in the long run. On comparison, with an average growth of 1%, it would need less than 3,500 years (the pyramids are much older) to reach the mass of the earth with individuals weighing only 1 kg from the current level (with heavier individuals). </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Continued exponential growth over long periods is impossible. Life will become very tough by external factors containing growth unless we find ways to contain it, and humanity will quickly be extinct unless there are mechanism to keep <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">if </del>from falling too low.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Continued exponential growth over long periods is impossible. Life will become very tough by external factors containing growth unless we find ways to contain it, and humanity will quickly be extinct unless there are mechanism to keep <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">its population </ins>from falling too low.</div></td></tr>
</table>Michaelhttps://www.milliongenerations.org/index.php?title=Population_growth&diff=562&oldid=prevMichael: backed up the claimed zero growth2008-12-06T23:32:09Z<p>backed up the claimed zero growth</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Going to extremes with the assumption that in a billion years (40 million current generations) the entire mass of the planet consists only of intelligent beings weighing 1 kg each (i.e., on the order of 6 times 10 to the 24 individuals), the average annual rate of growth from a starting base of 7 billion would be less than 0.000001%, (about 3 millionths of a percent or about 200 per year more born than dying at the current level). Assuming there would only be 1 individual left, the average annual rate of population reduction would likewise be less than </ins>0<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.000001%. </ins></div></td></tr>
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